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national army and afghan national police. in addition, u.s. contractors are embedded in the afghan army at the corps level and below and provide mentoring training teams that rove across the entire afghan army command. they manage in addition police basic training centers, serve with policemen torg teams assigned to the provinces and district headquarters, and there they develop civil policing skills and provide a positive role model for their afghan counterparts. contracted companies are also essential in constructing training and basing facilities across the country. in addition to contributing specialized skills, many contract personnel have been in afghanistan far longer than their military or civilian counterparts. their continued presence has provided a significant degree of continuity and stability in support of the training and mentoring mission. but the mission, to develop an effective ansf, faces uniquely complex problems because of afghanistan's remarkably difficult -- uniquely difficult, i should say, operating en
national army and afghan national police. in addition, u.s. contractors are embedded in the afghan army at the corps level and below and provide mentoring training teams that rove across the entire afghan army command. they manage in addition police basic training centers, serve with policemen torg teams assigned to the provinces and district headquarters, and there they develop civil policing skills and provide a positive role model for their afghan counterparts. contracted companies are also...
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you have said the goal is 160,000 afghan national police. suppose trying to reach that goal affected the quality of the police? one of the ways to attempt this would be to shorten the program of instruction while dividing time to weapons -- while devoting time to weapons. what you think about the target of 160,000 in that bind? >> i would say that that was our proposal. that has not been accepted by the dod and by afghanistan, so it is not yet a goal. we have reviewed the program of instruction for all of the training we do on a regular basis. there is no doubt the current training for police was eight weeks. we have looked at whether it six weeks was achievable. it was done in a committee -- a civilian police professional. they are looking at the program of instruction to see if we could not reduce the amount of training but compressed into six weeks the amount of training required to turn and a police of the same quality. one of that is will were training days, -- one of that is warmer training days. -- one of that is longer training days.
you have said the goal is 160,000 afghan national police. suppose trying to reach that goal affected the quality of the police? one of the ways to attempt this would be to shorten the program of instruction while dividing time to weapons -- while devoting time to weapons. what you think about the target of 160,000 in that bind? >> i would say that that was our proposal. that has not been accepted by the dod and by afghanistan, so it is not yet a goal. we have reviewed the program of...
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you have said the goal is 160,000 afghan national police. suppose trying to reach that goal affected the quality of the police? one of the ways to attempt this would be to shorten the program of instruction while dividing time to weapons -- while devoting time to weapons. what you think about the target of 160,000 in that bind? >> i would say that that was our proposal. that has not been accepted by the dod and by afghanistan, so it is not yet a goal. we have reviewed the program of instruction for all of the training we do on a regular basis. there is no doubt the current training for police was eight weeks. we have looked at whether it six weeks was achievable. it was done in a committee -- a civilian police professional. they are looking at the program of instruction to see if we could not reduce the amount of training but compressed into six weeks the amount of training required to turn and a police of the same quality. one of that is will were training days, -- one of that is warmer training days. -- one of that is longer training days.
you have said the goal is 160,000 afghan national police. suppose trying to reach that goal affected the quality of the police? one of the ways to attempt this would be to shorten the program of instruction while dividing time to weapons -- while devoting time to weapons. what you think about the target of 160,000 in that bind? >> i would say that that was our proposal. that has not been accepted by the dod and by afghanistan, so it is not yet a goal. we have reviewed the program of...
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recording for afghan national police and the army has been a challenge. is part of that because the government is awarding contracts for logistics services, reconstruction services, and other activities in essence to create a competitive job market. we could potentially be paying more for afghans to be providers of the services they and to serve in the national police or army. from your experience, and you have any indication of that kind of phenomenon? -- do you have any indication? >> no, i do not. >> i do not have metrics. i do know there is a competition, especially if you have someone who goes to police training and is successful. there's the competition of other security companies, other opportunities that pay more than as a police officer. when you see the rate, i do not have part numbers for you, sir. >> thank you. >> gentleman, if you would be able to respond to the question of the dead and wounded. when we were writing the statement, our staff could not give us specific numbers of the numbers of contractors winded and killed in afghanistan and i
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the afghan national police and border police have their own problems. the congressional research service said in an august report the afghan national police are riddled with corruption and short of equipment and no one could argue with that. in september, "the washington post" published a confidential commander summary from stanley -- from general stanley mcchrystal, the top u.s. and nato commander in afghanistan, that depicted broader problems. the general wrote of the weakness of state institutions. maligned actions of power brokers, widespread corruption and abuse of power by various officials as well as errors by the international forces. despite all these challenges, the united states and other countries with a presence in afghanistan are working to promote a stable and democratic afghanistan while preventing al qaeda or other terrorists from resuming operations from havens in that crinlt. from that perspective, training the afghan national security forces is the ball game. regardless of the issue under debate, the end game must be creating self-su
the afghan national police and border police have their own problems. the congressional research service said in an august report the afghan national police are riddled with corruption and short of equipment and no one could argue with that. in september, "the washington post" published a confidential commander summary from stanley -- from general stanley mcchrystal, the top u.s. and nato commander in afghanistan, that depicted broader problems. the general wrote of the weakness of...
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you have said the goal is 160,000 afghan national police. suppose trying to reach that goal affected the quality of the police? one of the ways to attempt this would be to shorten the program of instruction while dividing time to weapons -- while devoting time to weapons. what you think about the target of 160,000 in that bind? >> i would say that that was our proposal. that has not been accepted by the dod and by afghanistan, so it is not yet a goal. we have reviewed the program of instruction for all of the training we do on a regular basis. there is no doubt the current training for police was eight weeks. we have looked at whether it six weeks was achievable. it was done in a committee -- a civilian police professional. they are looking at the program of instruction to see if we could not reduce the amount of training but compressed into six weeks the amount of training required to turn and a police of the same quality. one of that is will were training days, -- one of that is warmer training days. -- one of that is longer training days.
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the afghan national army and the afghan national police. we need to work on that together with them. secondly, we have two existing systems of governments -- a formal system, with president karzai and his government and an informal system with president karzai and his power brokers. these two systems may interfere. what we need to do as a second step is present options and ways to president karzai -- how to merge these two systems into an effective government. last but not least, we should not -- from a western point of view, we should govern from an afghan point of view. it is very difficult to implement a top-down approaches on governance, on role of law throughout afghanistan. from its cultural and historical point of view, the tribal structure of afghanistan makes it a country that is very open -- for a top-down approach, not a bottom-up approach. we should focus on having an effect on all the lines of operation at the district level. if you have a good district governor, if you have a good and capable amp leadership with the anan into
the afghan national army and the afghan national police. we need to work on that together with them. secondly, we have two existing systems of governments -- a formal system, with president karzai and his government and an informal system with president karzai and his power brokers. these two systems may interfere. what we need to do as a second step is present options and ways to president karzai -- how to merge these two systems into an effective government. last but not least, we should not...
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the afghan national police have much further to go. the percentage of policemen who have actually received formal training is fairly low. we are increasing our partnership and our focus on them. but we are starting in a much lower level. the last point is, the police, of course, have a tremendous challenge because they operate so dispersed, it's harder to have leadership and influence over that. but they also die in larger numbers than any other force on the battlefield, fighting. so while we can be very critical, i think we also need to balance the fact that they are dying for their country pretty courageously. >> the additional troops allows you to protect them better and partner with them better? >> that is exactly the heart of the strategy, create more security. >> thank you very much, general. ambassador, a couple of questions. thinking back a little bit from lessons from afghanistan, do they have a constitution in afghanistan -- i mean, from iraq -- do they have a constitution in afghanistan now? >> sir, they do. they've had -- >
the afghan national police have much further to go. the percentage of policemen who have actually received formal training is fairly low. we are increasing our partnership and our focus on them. but we are starting in a much lower level. the last point is, the police, of course, have a tremendous challenge because they operate so dispersed, it's harder to have leadership and influence over that. but they also die in larger numbers than any other force on the battlefield, fighting. so while we...
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afghan national police. salary is an issue. it takes time to develop the leadership there. in iraq and other countries where i have been, you have the existing structure of police that you could use and generate while in afghanistan. we are building a plane while we are flying. it takes time to build that leadership an institution to support that leadership in order for the anp to sustain itself over time. we should realize what kind of difficult position we are putting the anp in because they have to fight every day to the last. >> do you consider the city to be secure? >> absolutely not. ghana city is interesting because the perception there will define the perception of security and the future. that is a battleground. -- that is of vital brent. ground. there is a balance of power there between criminals, tribes, economic power brokers pouring in a huge amount of coalition forces will not have a positive effect. i think we passed that stage. we handed over most of the security to the ana and we should focu
afghan national police. salary is an issue. it takes time to develop the leadership there. in iraq and other countries where i have been, you have the existing structure of police that you could use and generate while in afghanistan. we are building a plane while we are flying. it takes time to build that leadership an institution to support that leadership in order for the anp to sustain itself over time. we should realize what kind of difficult position we are putting the anp in because they...
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we'll robustly try to train afghan national police, afghan national army to ensure they're able to take over. to john's point, we have an all-volunteer military. every signing up today knows they're signing up to go and fight, be prepared to fight or trained to fight. that's the nature of the situation we're in as a country. president obama has made a call to our military to finish this job and execute. i think it's incumbent upon us to do everything we can to win. let our generation win the fights that they were sent to go in. >> larry: john, respond. >> he brings up some important points, first, the counterinsurgency strategy. it's a failing strategy for the united states. pete talks about a volunteer force -- >> john -- >> excuse me, pete. >> larry: let him answer the question. >> i will. >> it's a failing strategy because we're not a nation at war. we're a military at war. obviously what i would have felt more comfortable tonight if the president was willing, there's a debate about going all-in. this is not an all-in strategy. this is a partial-in strategy. a counterinsurgency strat
we'll robustly try to train afghan national police, afghan national army to ensure they're able to take over. to john's point, we have an all-volunteer military. every signing up today knows they're signing up to go and fight, be prepared to fight or trained to fight. that's the nature of the situation we're in as a country. president obama has made a call to our military to finish this job and execute. i think it's incumbent upon us to do everything we can to win. let our generation win the...
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and it will involve not just the afghan national army and the afghan national police, but local authorities, local police, tribal groups and various other security units and it will be our commanders on the ground in my view who make the decision, who make the recommendation that a district or a cluster of districts or a province is ready to transition to afghan security responsibility just as they did in iraq. >> let me just read a quote that you said on november or september 27 of this year. i think that that the notion of timeliness and exit strategies and so on, frankly, i think would all be a strategic mistake. the reality is failure in afghanistan would be a huge setback for the united states. taliban and al qaeda, as far as they're concerned defeated one superpower. for them to be seeing to defeat a second, i think, would have catastrophic consequences in terms of energizing the movement and so on. and let me ask based on what we have just talked about that we're going to have a review about a year from now, secretary gates, in questioning by senator mccain, you indicated that the ad
and it will involve not just the afghan national army and the afghan national police, but local authorities, local police, tribal groups and various other security units and it will be our commanders on the ground in my view who make the decision, who make the recommendation that a district or a cluster of districts or a province is ready to transition to afghan security responsibility just as they did in iraq. >> let me just read a quote that you said on november or september 27 of this...
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accelerateing the growth of the afghan national army and police, is vitally important. but we're also looking, as i suggested in my remarks at local forces as well. partnering with local security forces, so there are, there is more than just the afghan national police and national army in this mix. the plan yearly is that we will responsibility to the afghans until the afghans have the capacity in that district or that province to be able to manage the security situation on their own. with us and our allies initially in a tactical watch and strategic over watch situation. the reality is set the circumstances in iraq differ from province to province. the difficulty will depend on the circumstances in each of these areas. in sum, it will take your afghans. a big part of this is additional training will put more and more afghans into the site and into a position where they can take responsibility for security. one of the purposes of the u.s. going in with additional forces is not just to partner with the afghans or to train the afghans, but to degrade the capabilities. you
accelerateing the growth of the afghan national army and police, is vitally important. but we're also looking, as i suggested in my remarks at local forces as well. partnering with local security forces, so there are, there is more than just the afghan national police and national army in this mix. the plan yearly is that we will responsibility to the afghans until the afghans have the capacity in that district or that province to be able to manage the security situation on their own. with us...
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on the afghan national police, is less. that is because the level of training in the commitment we have had over time is much new work and much more in mature. -- much newer and much more immature. they have a few drug problems and other things. >> on the military side, are the taliban paying their soldiers more than we are paying afghan troops? >> there is no set pay scale, but by our intelligence, they pay the equivalent of $300 u.s. a month, and that is higher than we are paying afghan army recruits. >> do we intend to ratchet that pay up to compete financially with the taliban? >> in coordination with the government of afghan, we almost doubled that pay. is that parity now. it is less than $300 a month but it is much closer. >> i like to go through some benchmarks relative to the training numbers. my understanding that you want to get to 240,000 military, 160,000 police. you indicated to senator mccain that you are still on the timeline of 2013 of accomplishing those numbers. but looking where we are today and that in 2
on the afghan national police, is less. that is because the level of training in the commitment we have had over time is much new work and much more in mature. -- much newer and much more immature. they have a few drug problems and other things. >> on the military side, are the taliban paying their soldiers more than we are paying afghan troops? >> there is no set pay scale, but by our intelligence, they pay the equivalent of $300 u.s. a month, and that is higher than we are paying...
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army and the afghan national police. i will just start with the army. the army is about 100,000 soldiers strong right now and our goal is to grow them here in this year until october 2010 to grow them from 100,000 to about 134,000. that will improve both the quality and quantity of the security force. moving over to the police, the police currently are about 95,000 across the country. we are shooting toward a goal of about 109,000, again, by october 2010. there are several the different components in the police. you have your unit police, which are essentially your cops on the beat at the district and precinct level. and you also have your national police. this is a force quite similar to our your -- european partners called the gendarmerie or the coronary -- coronary. in the year 2011, as president obama has told us, we want to be able to have the conditions to be able to start transferring security responsibilities from the coalition elements over to our afghan partners in both the army and police. host: general, how w
army and the afghan national police. i will just start with the army. the army is about 100,000 soldiers strong right now and our goal is to grow them here in this year until october 2010 to grow them from 100,000 to about 134,000. that will improve both the quality and quantity of the security force. moving over to the police, the police currently are about 95,000 across the country. we are shooting toward a goal of about 109,000, again, by october 2010. there are several the different...
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recording for afghan national police and the army has been a challenge. is part of that because the government is awarding contracts for logistics services, reconstruction services, and other activities in essence to create a competitive job market. we could potentially be paying more for afghans to be providers of the services they and to serve in the national police or army. from your experience, and you have any indication of that kind of phenomenon? -- do you have any indication? >> no, i do not. >> i do not have metrics. i do know there is a competition, especially if you have someone who goes to police training and is successful. there's the competition of other security companies, other opportunities that pay more than as a police officer. when you see the rate, i do not have part numbers for you, sir. >> thank you. >> gentleman, if you would be able to respond to the question of the dead and wounded. when we were writing the statement, our staff could not give us specific numbers of the numbers of contractors winded and killed in afghanistan and i
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army and the afghan national police. i will just start with the army. the army is about 100,000 soldiers strong right now and our goal is to grow them here in this year until october 2010 to grow them from 100,000 to about 134,000. that will improve both the quality and quantity of the security force. moving over to the police, the police currently are about 95,000 across the country. we are shooting toward a goal of about 109,000, again, by october 2010. there are several the different components in the police. you have your unit police, which are essentially your cops on the beat at the district and precinct level. and you also have your national police. this is a force quite similar to our your -- european partners called the gendarmerie or the coronary -- coronary. in the year 2011, as president obama has told us, we want to be able to have the conditions to be able to start transferring security responsibilities from the coalition elements over to our afghan partners in both the army and police. host: general, how w
army and the afghan national police. i will just start with the army. the army is about 100,000 soldiers strong right now and our goal is to grow them here in this year until october 2010 to grow them from 100,000 to about 134,000. that will improve both the quality and quantity of the security force. moving over to the police, the police currently are about 95,000 across the country. we are shooting toward a goal of about 109,000, again, by october 2010. there are several the different...
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national police provided that while we feel that these troops have come in should be as we say caveat, meaning shorthand for restrictions and the troops. the number of missions for isaf in many ways is especially in areas that are described as training and sort of basic security and state stabilization provideing security. yes? >> we're waiting to see what sort of people will be there and how far along? how many afghan troops will need to be trained? can you tell us how and when the assessments will be made from the afghan security forces have been established? >> i think it would be difficult for me to give that kind of level. i think that's something general mcchrystal will have to provide. i think that would span within nato/isaf contact. i'm not trying to diminish the importance of that. i just -- i don't -- >> what about other benchmarks? are there any other government situations? when and how would those assessments be made before january? >> well, we -- yeah. i don't know if january 28th necessarily is the deadline for that. but as i suggested earlier, we want to make sure that
national police provided that while we feel that these troops have come in should be as we say caveat, meaning shorthand for restrictions and the troops. the number of missions for isaf in many ways is especially in areas that are described as training and sort of basic security and state stabilization provideing security. yes? >> we're waiting to see what sort of people will be there and how far along? how many afghan troops will need to be trained? can you tell us how and when the...
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police, because you know they are the much maligned afghan national police and he said, sir, you got to understand, this is working great. this is extraordinary. the progress we're making. we should have started this months ago, that unit's on yoir 11th month of a 12-month deployment. so when i see that, every time i get out, i'm extraordinarily convinced how good they are and how well they're doing and at what we've asked them to do. >> you mentioned the citizen soldiers. all of us have national guard troops that have been deployed. how good are the national guard troops? >> well, they're extraordinary, but one of the things i'd say, sometimes someone will fall in and say, just as good as active duty or active army troops, regular troops. that's not the case. in many cases they bring skills from around the country, bring things that active components skills and maturity components don't have subpoena they're not exactly the same, but together they are much better. so, and we are losing, we are paying a price with our citizen soldiers in casualties and in lost time away from home, ju
police, because you know they are the much maligned afghan national police and he said, sir, you got to understand, this is working great. this is extraordinary. the progress we're making. we should have started this months ago, that unit's on yoir 11th month of a 12-month deployment. so when i see that, every time i get out, i'm extraordinarily convinced how good they are and how well they're doing and at what we've asked them to do. >> you mentioned the citizen soldiers. all of us have...
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forces on the ground and, in some cases, co-located with afghan national army and afghan national police. and i wanted to give you so you understand my perspective. i am a son of the greatest generation. back many years ago when i worked for another network, tom brokaw's office was right next to mine up on the eighth floor of the same building we're in today. and tom brokaw had just written that book, the greatest generation, and my mom and dad were part of it. in fact, the cover of that book could easily have been my mom and dad. there's a soldier's trousers and a beautiful woman's legs, and that was my mom. and i've looked back carefully at not only what was in his book, but at that generation as it influenced me as a young person growing up, and that is the message i've got for you. that's the message of this great museum. the message is the legacy that had been left for the next generation. that's why this museum is such an important part of who we are as a people in america. and that's why that legacy that was handed off to my brothers and me influenced all of us, every one of us se
forces on the ground and, in some cases, co-located with afghan national army and afghan national police. and i wanted to give you so you understand my perspective. i am a son of the greatest generation. back many years ago when i worked for another network, tom brokaw's office was right next to mine up on the eighth floor of the same building we're in today. and tom brokaw had just written that book, the greatest generation, and my mom and dad were part of it. in fact, the cover of that book...
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troops as they train the afghan national army and afghan national police. this was in logar province a mostly agriculture region south of kabul. we'll see how the u.s. army worked with afghan forces on security checkpoints. >> day-to-day military operations in afghanistan -- in many places sort of boils down to checkpoints. you set up a checkpoint at a key road intersection or in a village somewhere and you just sit there. and keep an eye on things. and the idea if you've got enough checkpoints you have a good -- you can lock a place down. taliban can't move around. smuggling can't happen. you can lock down the opium trade and you can solve a lot of problems by keeping an eye on the traffic, really. and so checkpoints can be terribly boring. u.s. forces tend to delegate a lot of checkpoints to afghan forces. that's something they could handle. it's a pretty rudimentary task. you got like a dozen afghan troops who sit at the checkpoint 24 hours a day and the americans will go out periodically and check on them. so how are things going? have you seen anything
troops as they train the afghan national army and afghan national police. this was in logar province a mostly agriculture region south of kabul. we'll see how the u.s. army worked with afghan forces on security checkpoints. >> day-to-day military operations in afghanistan -- in many places sort of boils down to checkpoints. you set up a checkpoint at a key road intersection or in a village somewhere and you just sit there. and keep an eye on things. and the idea if you've got enough...
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afghan national police numbers will increase further increases to follow. and we will double the numbers 100 this year to 200 next year. thirdly, an effective and accountable local administration. from now on all 400 provinces corruption with clearly defined roles, skills and resources. more to come. from 22,000 to 31,000. and inclusive national government in kabul -- one that reaches out to political leaders and citizens from all strands of afghan society. agreed with us on the priority 12 leading officials, we recognize that the test is not initiatives but delivery on the ground. reconciliation. it is the task of military pressurize the insurgency. but it is right and essential that this work is combined with those prepared to renounce the political process. both national and local levels. people in towns and their country -- a identify the likely economy and provide afghans with credible economic insurgency. harvest is expected to be the highest in 30 years. programs funded by our this year create 20,000 jobs, and by 2013, raise the incomes of 200,000 pe
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the government of afghanistan just increase the pay of afghan national army and police. didn't quite double it, but got almost to twice. it is still, the design is to get to a living, living wage we don't have people who are forced to resort to corruption or family support to go forward. and its foreign money that helps the afghan foreign government is required to pay 34 percent of the budget of corn to the london compaq 1996 towards their afghan security forces. but that clearly does not cover the major part. >> and the cost largely covered you say by foreign contributions. it's my understand that japan again, people do not know the extraordinary efforts and support from around the world, as unlikely as japan supporting the police of afghanistan. thank you again for your service. stomach time of the german has a five. the gentleman from arkansas recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. general mcchrystal, the arkansas national guard, like those in other states plays an important role in responding to natural disasters and other domestic emergencies and a
the government of afghanistan just increase the pay of afghan national army and police. didn't quite double it, but got almost to twice. it is still, the design is to get to a living, living wage we don't have people who are forced to resort to corruption or family support to go forward. and its foreign money that helps the afghan foreign government is required to pay 34 percent of the budget of corn to the london compaq 1996 towards their afghan security forces. but that clearly does not cover...
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afghan national police numbers will increase further increases to follow. and we will double the numbers 100 this year to 200 next year. thirdly, an effective and accountable local administration. from now on all 400 provinces corruption with clearly defined roles, skills and resources. more to come. from 22,000 to 31,000. and inclusive national government in kabul -- one that reaches out to political leaders and citizens from all strands of afghan society. agreed with us on the priority 12 leading officials, we recognize that the test is not initiatives but delivery on the ground. reconciliation. it is the task of military pressurize the insurgency. but it is right and essential that this work is combined with those prepared to renounce the political process. both national and local levels. people in towns and their country -- a identify the likely economy and provide afghans with credible economic insurgency. harvest is expected to be the highest in 30 years. programs funded by our this year create 20,000 jobs, and by 2013, raise the incomes of 200,000 pe
afghan national police numbers will increase further increases to follow. and we will double the numbers 100 this year to 200 next year. thirdly, an effective and accountable local administration. from now on all 400 provinces corruption with clearly defined roles, skills and resources. more to come. from 22,000 to 31,000. and inclusive national government in kabul -- one that reaches out to political leaders and citizens from all strands of afghan society. agreed with us on the priority 12...
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national army and an afghan national police force both of which are part of the larger umbrella of afghan national security forces. different countries, nato have done that. and i can only imagine that you increase contributions that will come to this effort, part of that will be men and women dedicated specifically to training. let me check on the third part of it. yes, sir. >> robert, thank you. in terms of this humanitarian funding, i'm just curious, are you concerned about money being siphoned through corrupt individuals that are party to the afghan government that led to the taliban and how would you incentivize that will not happen? >> i think much of what i talked to jennifer in the first question, the president has been clear with president karzai, both in his recent meeting over the security of video teleconference and the phone call right after the -- he was declared the winner and the next continued president of afghanistan that corruption very directly had to be addressed. i don't want to get into the flow of any of that. but suffice it to say that we are making -- we are maki
national army and an afghan national police force both of which are part of the larger umbrella of afghan national security forces. different countries, nato have done that. and i can only imagine that you increase contributions that will come to this effort, part of that will be men and women dedicated specifically to training. let me check on the third part of it. yes, sir. >> robert, thank you. in terms of this humanitarian funding, i'm just curious, are you concerned about money being...
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my former national guard unit led by general bob livingston worked with the afghan police and army units. they developed a close relationship with their afghan brothers. and they saw the capabilities of the afghan security forces. with that in mind, i understand that the training program for the afghan national police is being transferred from the state department to the department of defense, which will involved a transition on the ground. how confident are you that the training program will not be disrupted? does this transfer put the mission of the afghan security forces at risk? >> no, i don't think it does. i think as admiral mullen has testified and i invite him to comment, we have put new people in in all of these training programs. but the reality is both with the and the army that working together and partnering is the key to their effectiveness. you know, they can go through basic training but what we found in iraq and what general mcchrystal is intending to do in afghanistan is once those people get out of basic training, once those units show up, that they will live together,
my former national guard unit led by general bob livingston worked with the afghan police and army units. they developed a close relationship with their afghan brothers. and they saw the capabilities of the afghan security forces. with that in mind, i understand that the training program for the afghan national police is being transferred from the state department to the department of defense, which will involved a transition on the ground. how confident are you that the training program will...
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army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we want to reach our annual goals. there have to be programs that run beyond that without yes. but we want to first confirm that we can in fact meet those goals. to do that, by the way, we have to make significant improvements. not just in recruiting but also in retention. >> the pay to these people. >> the pay had just been increased. there is essentially a benefits package to work out how tow, in fact, recruit and to attain more afghans for those security forces. beyond that a shift in momentum will be the best recruiting tool of all. you
army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we...
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national army or the afghan national police to whom we turn for providing the local security. it may well be a local security force that operates within the context of the provincial government or the district government. we've seen experiments with this in bordoff province and elsewhere and the fort pretty well. and so, i think it is going to be a mixed. and to answer the question senator wed asked, my view is we would do the transfer of security and the same way we did in iraq and there will be judgment by the isaf commanders of when and every guy is ready when the local forces are ready to assume that responsibility with us in a tactical and then strategic overwatch got sort of the cavalry over the hill if you will, and i think that -- but local security forces and local governments are going to be a big part of that, big part of the equation. the caution we have is not to cross the line and reestablish warlords and local militias that in fact hour operating independent of the government and whether at the district or the provincial or the national level. >> i know i'm out
national army or the afghan national police to whom we turn for providing the local security. it may well be a local security force that operates within the context of the provincial government or the district government. we've seen experiments with this in bordoff province and elsewhere and the fort pretty well. and so, i think it is going to be a mixed. and to answer the question senator wed asked, my view is we would do the transfer of security and the same way we did in iraq and there will...
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national police. admiral mike mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs, speaking earlier to reporters said he is deeply concerned about the growing level of collisions between afghan militants and extremists taking refuge across the border into pakistan. he made the comments after arriving in kabul to discuss the upcoming surge appeared the u.s. military is commenting on last week bombings in iraq in a statement to the associated press. the military said it warned iraqi officials about possible attacks in baghdad on the same day that bomber struck government sites in the capital last week. however, the information did not include specific actionable intelligence. those bombings killed 127 people. an update on the americans being held in iran. the country's foreign minister said three americans jailed since crossing the border from iraq in july will go on trial. no word on when the proceedings would begin or the specific charges, but in november authorities did accuse the americans of spying. relatives and
national police. admiral mike mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs, speaking earlier to reporters said he is deeply concerned about the growing level of collisions between afghan militants and extremists taking refuge across the border into pakistan. he made the comments after arriving in kabul to discuss the upcoming surge appeared the u.s. military is commenting on last week bombings in iraq in a statement to the associated press. the military said it warned iraqi officials about possible...
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army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we want to reach our annual goals. there have to be programs that run beyond that without yes. but we want to first confirm that we can in fact meet those goals. to do that, by the way, we have to make significant improvements. not just in recruiting but also in retention. >> the pay to these people. >> the pay had just been increased. there is essentially a benefits package to work out how tow, in fact, recruit and to attain more afghans for those security forces. beyond that a shift in momentum will be the best recruiting tool of all. you
army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we...
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we just, the government of afghanistan just increased the pay of afghan national army and police. didn't quite double it, but brought it almost to twice. it's still -- the design is to get to a living reasonable wage so we don't have people who are forced to resort to corruption or family support to go forward. and it's paid -- it's foreign money that helps. the afghan government is required to pay 34% of their budget according to the london compact 1996 towards their afghan security forces, but that clearly does not -- does not cover the major part of the costs. >> and the costs largely are covered, you say, by foreign contributions. it's my understanding that japan has been a major contributor and should be given credit. again, people do not know the extraordinary efforts and support from around the world, as unlikely as japan supporting the police of afghanistan. thank you, again, for your service. >> time of the gentleman has expired. the gentleman from arkansas mr. ross, recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. general mcchrystal, the arkansas national guard,
we just, the government of afghanistan just increased the pay of afghan national army and police. didn't quite double it, but brought it almost to twice. it's still -- the design is to get to a living reasonable wage so we don't have people who are forced to resort to corruption or family support to go forward. and it's paid -- it's foreign money that helps. the afghan government is required to pay 34% of their budget according to the london compact 1996 towards their afghan security forces,...
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national army and to have the afghan police and army defending their own country. >> ambassador, 970 plus of 100,000, how many of them sleep in kabul? >> right now out in the field -- >> that's more than i thought it would be. >> it has been a very impressive gain. >> general, one final, you've been beat to death about the head and shoulders about these numbers, but let me ask you one other different way. you're going to get 30,000. your focus is on population centers. if you had 40,000, what is that differential in terms of population centers that won't get the attention that it would have gotten with 40. are those communities going to be left to the taliban until we get to them later? what is the cut on that? >> congressman, the key thing is i'm going to get at least 37,000 with coalition forces and what i recommended did not say u.s., it said forces. so i'm really just about what i -- >> but are you confident those additional,0 7,000 will come wi the limited number of caveats that you can put them where they need to go? >> i think we'll be in good shape. >> so the effect on popula
national army and to have the afghan police and army defending their own country. >> ambassador, 970 plus of 100,000, how many of them sleep in kabul? >> right now out in the field -- >> that's more than i thought it would be. >> it has been a very impressive gain. >> general, one final, you've been beat to death about the head and shoulders about these numbers, but let me ask you one other different way. you're going to get 30,000. your focus is on population...
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army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we want to reach our annual goals. there have to be programs that run beyond that without yes. but we want to first confirm that we can in fact meet those goals. to do that, by the way, we have to make significant improvements. not just in recruiting but also in retention. >> the pay to these people. >> the pay had just been increased. there is essentially a benefits package to work out how tow, in fact, recruit and to attain more afghans for those security forces. beyond that a shift in momentum will be the best recruiting tool of all. you
army and the afghan national police. to give you a sense of the that the a&a right now is roughly 96,000 or so. the goal by october of next year is 134,000. the anp is 94,000. goal by the end of next year is 109,000. along with that you have heard theses s s s aspirational goal. others stated we could envision afghan's security forces numbering as many as 400,000, an army of 240,000 and a police includes border police and a variety of other elements beyond just local police right now we...
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army and police, national government free of corruption and giving people an economics teacher -- stake in the future. i believe on all these things we are agreed. as far as commitments the afghans must make, it is not possible for us to get a blank check to the afghanistanis. we must look to the promises they have made about delivering troops that can be trained in theater with britain and other coalition allies. but the test is not in the words that come from addresses in statements. the test is an actual delivery. that is why i have put more force on what has been dominant in the last few days, since president karzai started his second term, then on the statements made before these early days. i think it is important to recognize that troops are being provided, that an anti- corruption task force, more will be done but we have seen a start to delivery on a number of key president and demanded he make. as far as vehicles in the field are concerned, we do need some small vehicles as well as the larger vehicles. we have more mastiff, we have more respect, -- -- ridgeback. i agree that w
army and police, national government free of corruption and giving people an economics teacher -- stake in the future. i believe on all these things we are agreed. as far as commitments the afghans must make, it is not possible for us to get a blank check to the afghanistanis. we must look to the promises they have made about delivering troops that can be trained in theater with britain and other coalition allies. but the test is not in the words that come from addresses in statements. the test...
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some of those jurors will be used for training, i did afghan national army or the afghan national police. and without that training, without meeting the force requirements for an afghan national security force, it gets harder for afghans to ultimately assume responsibility. we have got some very important goals that commanders believe can be met. and these troops will help us do that. >> i want to talk about the u.s. forces. admiral mullen saying the july 2011 is not a deadline. you agree with that? >> secretary gates said that yesterday's and followed up by saying that is the date by which -- on which the transition will begin of our forces ending security responsibility -- handing research -- handing security responsibility over to the afghans. july 2011 comes from the pentagon and admiral mullen. the pentagon gave as part of the process to the security team a number of things including the july 2011 security date. as most recently as this morning, as the commander-in- chief, he is clear about what july 2011 mean spirit that as -- that is the point at which we will transition, and in t
some of those jurors will be used for training, i did afghan national army or the afghan national police. and without that training, without meeting the force requirements for an afghan national security force, it gets harder for afghans to ultimately assume responsibility. we have got some very important goals that commanders believe can be met. and these troops will help us do that. >> i want to talk about the u.s. forces. admiral mullen saying the july 2011 is not a deadline. you agree...
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but as he rightly recognizes, so too is building up the strength of the afghan army, its police and local and national government. and as president obama said last night, there is no blank check for president karzai. he has to take the action as necessary and that's why i said earlier today that the london conference on november the 28th which president karzai will attend will be a chance for president karzai to set out further reforms that he estimates to make the army and police more efficient to make sure that government is free of corruption and to build up stronger, local and provincial government. >> nick clegg? >> will the prime minister confirm at the london conference he just referred to whether the powers around afghanistan, russia, china and, yes, even iran might be involved? without regional backing it will be difficult to create stability within afghanistan. president obama was critical in his speech last night. will the prime minister tell us whether this is being taken forward and perhaps give us a feel for what steps have been taken to involve those other countries in the
but as he rightly recognizes, so too is building up the strength of the afghan army, its police and local and national government. and as president obama said last night, there is no blank check for president karzai. he has to take the action as necessary and that's why i said earlier today that the london conference on november the 28th which president karzai will attend will be a chance for president karzai to set out further reforms that he estimates to make the army and police more...
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on the security front, the afghan national army and police have no choice but to assume greater responsibility given the certainty of a u.s. withdrawal. as president obama outlined, pakistan is central to this fight. we cannot succeed without its cooperation because developments in the region are inextricably tied to both sides of the border. after my april visit, i was concerned about the pakistani commitment. when i returned in september, however, i was impressed by the pakistani military's decision to go after elements of the taliban in the swat valley. however, at the same time, pakistan must take action against the afghan taliban in al qaeda which continues to find safe havens in pakistani tribal areas. if extremists continue to operate freely between afghanistan and pakistan, it will undermine security gains made on the afghan side of the border, and the stakes are even higher in pakistan which has both nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles. in afghanistan, we must break the momentum of the taliban by improving security and strengthening our ability to partner with the afghans. that is w
on the security front, the afghan national army and police have no choice but to assume greater responsibility given the certainty of a u.s. withdrawal. as president obama outlined, pakistan is central to this fight. we cannot succeed without its cooperation because developments in the region are inextricably tied to both sides of the border. after my april visit, i was concerned about the pakistani commitment. when i returned in september, however, i was impressed by the pakistani military's...
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both afghan national army and police so that we increasingly take over security responsibility from the united states, and our a lies to help defend our country with our continued support and government is already taken charge of providing security in kabel and central parts as well as north and northeast and our forces are actively participating in combat along with nato forces in the south and east and they've conducted a number of successful operations, even internationally of the coalition forces and in the south and east of there. host: afghanistan citizens do they feel they're country will be ready in july of 2011 to begin the transfer from the united states military to afghanistan security force? guest: they're looking to see whether, really to see whether the government of afghanistan along with allies will accelerate peace building in afghanistan and especially equipping and paying our security forces and as well as several services in afghanistan, adequately as well as implementing theness reform so that we hopefully in 18 months particularly in three to five years as karzai i
both afghan national army and police so that we increasingly take over security responsibility from the united states, and our a lies to help defend our country with our continued support and government is already taken charge of providing security in kabel and central parts as well as north and northeast and our forces are actively participating in combat along with nato forces in the south and east and they've conducted a number of successful operations, even internationally of the coalition...
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is not necessarily the afghan national army or the police, but local law enforcement, local security people who are working with the government, they may not be in the chain of command if you will, but clearly a major part of the president's strategy is more attention to the sub national government to working with the tribes. >> that's good. that's -- >> and the second point. >> those are words, we haven't changed the structure a bit. the leaders are appointed by kabul. our state department insisted on a centralized structure that's totally contrary to afghan tradition, and we expect that the afghan people are going to swallow it? especially when their government is so corrupt, they can't even have an honest election? how can we expect our men and women to go over there and put their lives on the line when we haven't been willing to actually be tough with karzai and force the restructuring of that system so it's more consistent with what the afghan culture is all about? >> we have to build con sew nant with the afghan culture, and one of the things we talked about is focusing our eff
is not necessarily the afghan national army or the police, but local law enforcement, local security people who are working with the government, they may not be in the chain of command if you will, but clearly a major part of the president's strategy is more attention to the sub national government to working with the tribes. >> that's good. that's -- >> and the second point. >> those are words, we haven't changed the structure a bit. the leaders are appointed by kabul. our...
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national army soldier or police. if nothing else in our own long- term economic interests, and certainly the afghan interest, to continue to help the afghans stand there police sub -- stand their police up, so that we're not sending more u.s. soldiers are marines, but the afghan soldiers are taking their own place. that is a pretty good return. and the four. would be that as we move forward and afghanistan does gain more security, perhaps the army and police of afghanistan will not need high levels in the future. maybe at some point in time, 10 years from now, the army of afghanistan might be a smaller force than it is five years from now. >> and that is what charlie wilson was arguing for in 1989, to keep a presence going. but we pulled out and we made a mistake. last week, i recalled that for secretary gates when he was in front of us. and he said we're not going to make that mistake again. let me ask you -- one of the things that i asked secretary gates and secretary clinton, general mcchrystal, last week was that
national army soldier or police. if nothing else in our own long- term economic interests, and certainly the afghan interest, to continue to help the afghans stand there police sub -- stand their police up, so that we're not sending more u.s. soldiers are marines, but the afghan soldiers are taking their own place. that is a pretty good return. and the four. would be that as we move forward and afghanistan does gain more security, perhaps the army and police of afghanistan will not need high...
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first, are there enough reliable afghan national army and police forces to partner with american troops and eventually take over responsibility for security? the president has recognized the critical importance of speeding up training and mentoring and to date we have struggled to do so on the skill required and i look forward to hearing your plans today to increase that training capacity and quickly moved afghan security forces into the center of the fight. second, or their local lafta and leaders with whom we can partner? we have to be able to identify and cooperate with tribal districts and provincial leaders who command the authority to help deliver services and restore afghans' fate in their own government. beared, is the civilian side ready to follow swiftly with development aid and bring tangible benefits to the local population? the president has outlined a surge in submitted personnel which will be crucial to locking in any of our military gains and bring stability to afghanistan and i know secretary clinton that you've been working on that task and we look forward to exploring
first, are there enough reliable afghan national army and police forces to partner with american troops and eventually take over responsibility for security? the president has recognized the critical importance of speeding up training and mentoring and to date we have struggled to do so on the skill required and i look forward to hearing your plans today to increase that training capacity and quickly moved afghan security forces into the center of the fight. second, or their local lafta and...
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both afghan national army and police so that we increasingly take over security responsibility from the united states, and our a lies to help defend our country with our continued support and government is already taken charge of providing security in kabel and central parts as well as north and northeast and our forces are actively participating in combat along with nato forces in the south and east and they've conducted a number of successful operations, even internationally of the coalition forces and in the south and east of there. host: afghanistan citizens do they feel they're country will be ready in july of 2011 to begin the transfer from the united states military to afghanistan security force? guest: they're looking to see whether, really to see whether the government of afghanistan along with allies will accelerate peace building in afghanistan and especially equipping and paying our security forces and as well as several services in afghanistan, adequately as well as implementing theness reform so that we hopefully in 18 months particularly in three to five years as karzai i
both afghan national army and police so that we increasingly take over security responsibility from the united states, and our a lies to help defend our country with our continued support and government is already taken charge of providing security in kabel and central parts as well as north and northeast and our forces are actively participating in combat along with nato forces in the south and east and they've conducted a number of successful operations, even internationally of the coalition...
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local and national government and fourth by giving afghan as stronger stake in their economic future. can i say overtime our objective is to work for and encourage a new set of relationships between afghanistan and it's neighbors based on their guarantee of noninterference in their future a fairs and on a commitment to fostering not only long-term links with other powers in the region but immediate confidence building security measures from which all can benefit. i want the london conference on afghanistan to be held on january 28th which the secretary general of the united nations affirmed they're attend to unite the up international community for a program now and in the longer term to help the afghans secure and enforce their own country. our coalition military strategy is to create the space for effective political strategy to work. weakening taliban by strengthening all rig afghanist. today i want to set out the benchmarks for this approach and then in that context, to give details of the numbers and deployment office our armed forces. first, over the coming year the coalition s
local and national government and fourth by giving afghan as stronger stake in their economic future. can i say overtime our objective is to work for and encourage a new set of relationships between afghanistan and it's neighbors based on their guarantee of noninterference in their future a fairs and on a commitment to fostering not only long-term links with other powers in the region but immediate confidence building security measures from which all can benefit. i want the london conference on...
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if he fails to support the creation of afghan level of troops and police and the quality of them to carry out missions, we'll still be in the position that it will be our national security interest security and stable in afghanistan because we don't want another al qaeda. is that fair to say? >> yes. it is. >> so the problem is that part of the question is that dictates that we have a long-term obligation to afghanistan because we hope karzai will do everything that's right we may prod and poke and maybe try to direct money in different ways. at the end of the day, it depends upon an afghan government that can sustain itself. let me ask you then, do we agree with the comments made by president karzai that it may be as much as five years before his troops can take on insurgents in 2024, before the afghans will be able to pay for their own schurt? is his statement a fair one? >> it's not a light switch. >> is that a reasonable time frame? >> i can't talk about the long term time frame. that depends on how rapidly, obviously, they can generate much greater revenue and depends on security and
if he fails to support the creation of afghan level of troops and police and the quality of them to carry out missions, we'll still be in the position that it will be our national security interest security and stable in afghanistan because we don't want another al qaeda. is that fair to say? >> yes. it is. >> so the problem is that part of the question is that dictates that we have a long-term obligation to afghanistan because we hope karzai will do everything that's right we may...
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and i think that it's important we form a national army and national police capacity, a recognized legitimate defense security apparatus or the vacuum will be filled by exactly what the afghans fear, which is a return to strong militias that in many cases are ethnic cally based. they don't expect the same things from their central government that many western nations do. they expect less. but they do have an absolute sense of being afghans before they are any other ethnic or local identity. they take huge pride in the afghan national army. even though it is still a developing entity, they would like to be secured. when i talk to afghan elders, they thank us for being there and say, we'd like to be secured by the afghan national army. we're proud of them. but we will welcome you just until they're strong enough to do it. so i think rather than being a threat to the government of afghanistan, i think it's a major source of credibility as they go forward. now, clearly it has to stay under civilian control. and i've seen no indications that that is not likely to be the situation. i'd ask the amba
and i think that it's important we form a national army and national police capacity, a recognized legitimate defense security apparatus or the vacuum will be filled by exactly what the afghans fear, which is a return to strong militias that in many cases are ethnic cally based. they don't expect the same things from their central government that many western nations do. they expect less. but they do have an absolute sense of being afghans before they are any other ethnic or local identity....
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first of all, as i have indicated, accelerating the growth of the national and afghan army. we are also looking at local forces as well, partnering with local security forces. there is more than just the afghan police and army in this mix. the plan clearly is the we will not transition security irresponsibility to the afghan until they have the capacity to be able to manage the security situation on their own. the reality is set the circumstances in iraq differ from province to province. the difficulty will depend on the circumstances in each of these areas. in sum, it will take your afghans. a big part of this is additional training will put more and more afghans into the site and into a position where they can take responsibility for security. one of the purposes of the u.s. going in with additional forces is not just to partner with the afghans or to train the afghans, but to degrade the capabilities. you have a situation where the capabilities are rising at a time when our combat forces are degrading the taliban. >> do i understand that there will be situations where our
first of all, as i have indicated, accelerating the growth of the national and afghan army. we are also looking at local forces as well, partnering with local security forces. there is more than just the afghan police and army in this mix. the plan clearly is the we will not transition security irresponsibility to the afghan until they have the capacity to be able to manage the security situation on their own. the reality is set the circumstances in iraq differ from province to province. the...
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security forces, national army, or forces. they are not strong enough, an average of three police officers are dying in afghanistan while dying for the safety and security of afghanistan. three police officers a day. that responsibility will increase once we acquire baker -- greater capacity and abilities. we acquired better capabilities. there is no shortage of resources or skills . we will get additional resources to accommodate this strengthening of security forces. to give you an example, if we look at the current number of trainers needed, it is surprising how short the number is. we need almost 2375 police teams. only 1050 have been deployed. the same thing with the operation teams, only 55% are filled. with additional troops some vacancies will be filled. we appreciate nato countries and willingness -- we appreciate nato countries willingness to participate. i think instead of pushing too hard for additional troops for those countries, we should try to seek synergies between different degrees of capability that our part
security forces, national army, or forces. they are not strong enough, an average of three police officers are dying in afghanistan while dying for the safety and security of afghanistan. three police officers a day. that responsibility will increase once we acquire baker -- greater capacity and abilities. we acquired better capabilities. there is no shortage of resources or skills . we will get additional resources to accommodate this strengthening of security forces. to give you an example,...